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Guide to Overcoming Bingos and to Stop Looking Silly

CrazyCarl92CrazyCarl92 Not a Title, but a StarPosts: 2Registered User New to the Forums
edited January 2016 in Guides & Poker Strategy
Nice guide. A safe way to go against bingo players is to risk no more than 2% of your bankroll every pot. I've been doing this for a month and the biggest downswing I've had was about 20% of my bankroll.
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  • star star moonstar star moon The Side Pot Sage Posts: 262Registered User Gabby Enthusiast
    edited February 2011
    Nice guide. I agree with most all of it
    I would say in a Sit n go that shoving all in is a good tactic once the blinds get to 200-400 or higher depending on position, your hole crds and how many players are left at the table. especially useful as a tactic if you have been playing tight for the most part, a player on the button 5 handed who has been folding 8-9 hands out of 10 who suddenly shoves all in will inevitably find the other players folding as they will assume that you are holding AA or KK, it can be useful for stealing blinds.

    The trick is to master the game and be able to vary your strategy based on a number of factors.
    If someone is continually shoving with minimum buy in then look to see what they are shoving with, they are likely a poor player and you can call with a wider variety of hands than you would normally. If they are only ever shoving when they have a high pair or two face cards then you may want to re evaluate what you call with. play the percentages game and if in doubt fold.
  • KenboiKenboi The Chosen One Posts: 98Registered User Chocolatier
    edited February 2011
    Good guide, thanks for posting. :)
  • CoolkamaCoolkama Delightful Duckling Posts: 1Registered User Not a Title, but a Star
    edited February 2011
    so, anyone else notice the high amount of players going all in with ****, as though they already have seen the flop and seen they will hit? and i don't mean all the time bingo'ers.. i mean in the middle of a game with a steady player calling with ****, as though having seen the flop will hit.. and they do..
  • KCCoolKCCool Investigator Posts: 11Suspended User
    edited February 2011
    You are pretty much stating the obvious. People should know this by now...
  • PZaffPZaff Mazter Guardian Posts: 159Registered User
    edited February 2011
    KCCool wrote: »
    You are pretty much stating the obvious. People should know this by now...

    Yes, they should know, but having seen how players keep playing against bingo players and how many complaints are in the forum it seems that CrazyCarl92 didn't say anything so obvious.
  • BigAl856BigAl856 Mazter Guardian Posts: 355Registered User The One Who Knows it All
    edited February 2011
    Just for the record, beating bingo players is not that difficult. I just left a $2 table (doing challenges) with $3,500. The big stack when I started was over $3k. I eventually took his entire stack. All it takes is patience, good observational skills, and a good strategy. I do it all the time. If you can't walk away from a bingo table with at least 4x your buyin, you need to work on your strategy. However, that being said, everyone has bad runs. Regardless of how well you play or understand the game or the table you're at, if you're having a bad run there's essentially nothing you can do.
  • PZaffPZaff Mazter Guardian Posts: 159Registered User
    edited February 2011
    Very well done BigAl856!
    But keep in mind that in order to turn $40 into $3500 against bingo players you have to win at least 7 all ins. The bingo player needs to win only one hand to get back from you all his losts with the $40 of interests.
    Even if you keep having AA and him 72 offsuit the probability of you winning 7 times is only 25%.
    I'm not saying you played a bad strategy (the expectaction value of your strategy is highly positive), I'm just saying that beating bingo players is easy but, if you try to get their entire stack you'll probably get some big bad beat.
    I usually prefer to stop after quadrupling the stack, hoping for no bad beats, and then going to another table.
  • PZaffPZaff Mazter Guardian Posts: 159Registered User
    edited February 2011
    Very nice guide, I agree with all of it, except to leave the table.

    I'd like to add something that is important for cash games.
    There is a seat that give you the most positional advantage against bingo players (don't understimate the importance of position, it's really super-important, expecially against them).
    The best seat to choose is the one 1 place counter-clockwise from the bingo player.
    That's because when he decides to go all in you'll get to see everyone else's choice before you have to act.

    For example
    If you have 55 and the bingo player bets all in, if you are at the correct seat you may see that 2 very tight players that decide to call him and you should fold, or you might see that no one calls him so you should call.
    If you were at another seat and everyone folded to you, you should call (if you play mathematically) without knowing if someone else might have something stronger than 55.

    In sitngos the positional advantage would be way greater because of other reasons, unfortunately in sitngos it's against the rules to change seat after the game begun.

    In poker, the more informations you are able to get before you have to act, the better it is, because you can adjust you strategy better.
  • BigAl856BigAl856 Mazter Guardian Posts: 355Registered User The One Who Knows it All
    edited February 2011
    I think the reason for leaving the table is based on variance. If you're only getting one in 10 (or worse) winning hands, it's a pretty good indicator variance is not in your favor. You're probably on a bad run. You can stick around to see if your luck improves if you want, but if you continue to lose it's best to take a break. How many of us have seen all our best hands lose while all our folds would have been winners. Or, worse, all our hands, good or bad, are losers. It happens. Staying at the table during these kinds of runs is a pretty big gamble.

    However, that being said, I've seen my luck turn during sit n gos toward the very end and wound up winning it all. It happens. That's why I never get discouraged when I don't get hands during a sit n go. You never know when your luck is going to improve at the same time your opponent's luck turns bad.

    I've won a shootout final table from down to 300 chips. I once almost won a sit n go from 2 chips. Started shoving every hand and variance was in my favor. Was up to about 4k when I shoved with aces and lost. It happens.
  • PZaffPZaff Mazter Guardian Posts: 159Registered User
    edited February 2011
    BigAl856 wrote: »
    I think the reason for leaving the table is based on variance. If you're only getting one in 10 (or worse) winning hands, it's a pretty good indicator variance is not in your favor. You're probably on a bad run. You can stick around to see if your luck improves if you want, but if you continue to lose it's best to take a break. How many of us have seen all our best hands lose while all our folds would have been winners. Or, worse, all our hands, good or bad, are losers. It happens. Staying at the table during these kinds of runs is a pretty big gamble.

    The probability of being dealt the winning hand doesn't depend on what happened in previous hands.
    So leaving the table just because you think variance is not in your favour (i.e. you think you'll lose just because you lost every hand before this one) doesn't make any sense to me.
  • BigAl856BigAl856 Mazter Guardian Posts: 355Registered User The One Who Knows it All
    edited February 2011
    PZaff wrote: »
    The probability of being dealt the winning hand doesn't depend on what happened in previous hands.
    So leaving the table just because you think variance is not in your favour (i.e. you think you'll lose just because you lost every hand before this one) doesn't make any sense to me.
    That's because you're not giving variance and it's importance to the game enough credit. Variance IS what happened in previous hands. Probability is finite. But reality is affected by the variance in the game. Variance is what makes "numbers" just as big a gamble as any other method.

    As far as leaving the table is concerned, if you can spot what the variance is doing, it only makes sense to make decisions based on what reality, and not the probabilities, is telling you.
  • PZaffPZaff Mazter Guardian Posts: 159Registered User
    edited February 2011
    BigAl856 wrote: »
    That's because you're not giving variance and it's importance to the game enough credit. Variance IS what happened in previous hands. Probability is finite. But reality is affected by the variance in the game. Variance is what makes "numbers" just as big a gamble as any other method.

    As far as leaving the table is concerned, if you can spot what the variance is doing, it only makes sense to make decisions based on what reality, and not the probabilities, is telling you.

    Ok, so keep folding AA when you've just lost 5 hands in a row.

    Seriously, how is it possible that you really think that the outcome of a hand might even slightly depend on other previous hands???

    I'll make you an example: you flip a coin 4 times an get 4 tails in a row, how much is the probability of getting another tail on the 5th flip? Surprise me with your answer.
  • kieron bloggskieron bloggs Muffin Posts: 11Registered User Muffin
    edited February 2011
    just make sure the tail is facing the top.simpulz
  • fearbobfearbob Loose Cannon Posts: 1Registered User Not a Title, but a Star
    edited February 2011
    i like to allin the first hand, i i have noticed the first hand for me wins , after that even AA or AK i lose with , i love poker , but if you allin i thought that was an option as the others have to fold? i mean i can riase 20 times the i get players saying hurry up or zzzzzzzzzzzzzz i mean i'm lost ! and from what i understand a bingo player is a player that allins with 28 or 93 garbage but if he gets AK or AA and allins is that a bingo player? the worse thing is i get errror RS1 when i wanna play a 2m table and cant . supports giving me all these emails to do things but its on any computer i go on. is there an issue with zynga? i may stop playing all together. but i play hours on end and enjoy playing with friends .
  • paulchambers3012paulchambers3012 Loose Cannon Posts: 3Registered User Not a Title, but a Star
    edited February 2011
    A fool and his money (chips) are soon parted
  • DurrrrDurrrr Building Expert Posts: 14Registered User
    edited February 2011
    Players like fearbob is why we need 100bb tables.
  • roadster99roadster99 Not a Title, but a Star Posts: 1Facebook Connect User Not a Title, but a Star
    edited March 2011
    more like you need to play on a real site and stop treating zynga like it's actually a legit poker site.
  • DurrrrDurrrr Building Expert Posts: 14Registered User
    edited March 2011
    roadster99 wrote: »
    more like you need to play on a real site and stop treating zynga like it's actually a legit poker site.

    no interest making Zynga legit eh
  • divacdivadivacdiva Cloudylicious Posts: 2Registered User Not a Title, but a Star
    edited March 2011
    I don't understand why people go all in on every hand before they even see their cards. It makes me so aggravated I end up going to so many tables to find people that actually want to play and bet on their hand and not just throw all their money in.
  • lbclbc The One Who Knows It All Posts: 29Registered User
    edited March 2011
  • marcpoker1960marcpoker1960 Building Expert Posts: 37Registered User
    edited March 2011
    See you got proof that the One Brain Cell Organism really exist!!! :cool:
  • Gabriel LittonGabriel Litton Saint Spontaneous Posts: 5Registered User Loose Cannon
    edited March 2011
    Cnahge tables if you can't handle it.
  • DonnaMRobinsonDonnaMRobinson Not a Title, but a Star Posts: 1Registered User Not a Title, but a Star
    edited March 2011
    Bingo's? Where i play on several REAL poker sites, i can offer a bit of verified information. Here, on the Zynga poker tables, There, one the average, with always be atleast one who will allin, or more so, Pre flop raise, almost every hand, and typically, it will on average, end up being a mere Ace in hand plus a sequenced card of value. While Pre raises and allins are a part of poker, There is a little known rule of thumb that zynga does not enforce, and should... Chip stacking and table abuses by continuous pre flop raises and continuous allins by players who do so merely out of spite. In many REAL poker sites online, a player who willfully does this type of behavior, would become what is called "Booted" and prohibited from rejoining that particular table. Continued chip stacking and table abuses, then become "Account suspended and / or Terminated" due to disrupted and abusive behavior. Zynga poker is NOT listed in the directory of online poker sites and casinos as an endorsed True nature poker entity. This means, is plain laymans terms, that zynga [Named after the beloved dog] will most likely not ban these persons, however, if you swear, etc, they will. This being said, i strongly urge you to just not play at the tables when abusive and repetitive chip stacking players do so. It is far more enjoyable to Go to a well respected and enforced poker site, where its members atleast show table respect, not only for the game, but also for its players. Due to the ToS, i cannot disclose the content in this post, however, if you need info and addresses of TRUE poker sites, and ones the entire family may join, and enjoy without all of the pre raises, pre allins, abusive and disruptive plays and players, i suppose one could message me if they felt it was in their interest, and the author of this post would be more than happy to assist freely and without charge or request of favors, the info you would perhaps need to locate such sites.
  • baboomgirlbaboomgirl Not a Title, but a Star Posts: 1Registered User New to the Forums
    edited March 2011
    divacdiva wrote: »
    I don't understand why people go all in on every hand before they even see their cards. It makes me so aggravated I end up going to so many tables to find people that actually want to play and bet on their hand and not just throw all their money in.

    i agree... there should be seperate rooms for the bingo crowd to knock themselves out in. I, like many, actually enjoy PLAYING the game. And yes, I do move when they are like that. But on the other hand... ive won a TON of chips from them so they are really my bread & butter for this game. Just sit and watch the people at the table play for a few hands and youll soon know who lives on bluffs.
  • FuturizedFuturized The Boss Posts: 527Registered User Enthusiastic Expert
    edited March 2011
    For example, if the BB reaches 1200 in a SNG, it's probably the correct mathematical move to push all-in even with 23o or 27o.
    Can you please explain what this means ?
    -Stop crying about Bingo's.
    I do agree to this.. its a game.

    Great guide
  • noelninonoelnino Not a Title, but a Star Posts: 1Registered User New to the Forums
    edited April 2011
    i finished all my 32M chips to people like that. But who's to blame?me!!! because i called.i learned it the hard way.:-) so i guess u got my point.
  • star star moonstar star moon The Side Pot Sage Posts: 262Registered User Gabby Enthusiast
    edited April 2011
    Futurized wrote: »
    Can you please explain what this means ?


    Great guide

    BB means big blind, the chips you are forced to play if you are sitting to the left of the dealer
    The poster is alluding to the fact that in a heads up end game as the blinds get bigger and become a higher percentage of your stack you are better off playing a wider range of hands.

    I don't know i would go so far as to shove all in with 2-7 off or 2-3 off, but the principle is the same, and if you have built up a reputation for only playing big hands then you might bluff a few chips out of someone.

    It is important to rember to vary your playing style in tournaments depending on what your chips stack is, what the blinds are, what your opponent plays like and what you have been projecting to your opponent as your playing style
  • BigAl856BigAl856 Mazter Guardian Posts: 355Registered User The One Who Knows it All
    edited May 2011
    Practice. Find a $2 table where there's alot of bingo going on. Try to take the biggest stack at the table. I can consistently take a 1,000 chip stack. Sometimes more. But at around 2,000-2,500 it becomes almost impossible to beat because of the odds.
  • wren04wren04 This Space Is Available Posts: 17Registered User Muffin
    edited May 2011
    There are many ways to overcome "Bingo" players, who go all-in preflop very often.

    First off, just for your information, there are tons of situations in tournaments when going all-in preflop (due to odds and BB amounts in comparison to chip stacks) is the correct move, so I'm not really talking about SNG tournaments for the most part. For example, if the BB reaches 1200 in a SNG, it's probably the correct mathematical move to push all-in even with 23o or 27o.

    Anyways, there are several ways to gain the advantage over a Bingo player:

    -Leave the table
    -Wait until you get a premium hand and call him. Odds are, anything JJ+ or AJs+ will have good odds against him. Obviously, you are still in risk no matter what your hand is, but that's the name of the game. Blinds are extremely low on this site, so it won't cost much to wait around for a premium hand.
    -If you are at a full ring table (9 people), it's unlikely he'll be able to keep it up for long anyways without re-buying. It takes a lot of luck to be successful doing that at a fullring.
    -Stop playing with your whole bankroll. I see people playing with their entire bankroll all the time. I'll see people 200k sitting at the 100k SNG's, people with 200k sitting at 500k max buy-in tables, etc. You won't win this way. Cut it out.
    -Stop crying about Bingo's. In fact, I'm kind of happy when I see them. Although it kind of stinks if they feed my opponent chips, I still like my chances to take them myself. As long as you aren't playing with a high % of your bankroll, then you should be fine even if he gets lucky.. I think we can all agree that someone who goes all-in every hand pre-flop is probably playing bad poker. So if you are playing winning poker, you will come out on top against them in the long-run. So, it doesn't really make much sense to complain about them.
    -Finally, if you're actually any better than the bingo's, you should be able to get a high enough bankroll in order to play at the higher tables where they are more rare.

    That's all. Seeya!

    I wonder if any one on this forum has ever really played with a deck of cards or watch real poker tournment play on the TV. You rarely see a short stack player shove all with a 7-3 offsuit pre flop. And when they do 9out10 times they loose. Watched last weekend, in heads up play, some guy all-ined 9-3suited. He made several questionable bets like that and lost his chance to win the million!! All the advive and guides i see, say this abnormall behavior is part of poker. Maybe losing poker!! Please watch or play with a real deck of cards. :mad::eek:
  • BigAl856BigAl856 Mazter Guardian Posts: 355Registered User The One Who Knows it All
    edited May 2011
    TV coverage. Yea, that's a good indicator. Snicker.
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